Does Barry have any children (legitimate or otherwise)?

[sparky]

Hi All,

I was rereading "Sweet Life" last evening and came across the
section where Barry (and Garry) were discussing and laughing about a
paternity suit that a Deborah from Nebraska
filed against Barry. Does anyone think that Barry might have a grown
child whose mother may have been paid off for her silence...at that
time, Barry has very hot as a singer and
I believe that Garry and Barry would do anything that came in the way
of Barry's career
success. Has anyone ever checked out that gal? I assume that Patricia
Butler might have done some homework in that area and either found
nothing or was blocked for some reason.
Yet Barry does not strike me as the type who could just ignore his own
flesh and blood, even for a career.... Yes, most of us do think that
B&G are a couple but Barry was once young and perhaps liked to
experiment...all those gals throwing themselves at him...
Just a thought....
If Barry has no children, I feel that this was a big mistake on his
part as he would have been a good father, especially concerning his
patience. Everyone knows how young children get bored easily and need
to be constantly stimulated; Barry could keep the child very happy with
constant new ideas, etc.

Sparky

[b***@aol.com]

Does anyone think that Barry might have a grown
child whose mother may have been paid off for her silence...at that
time, Barry has very hot as a singer and
I believe that Garry and Barry would do anything that came in the way
of Barry's career
success.
***
I don't have a clue if he does or he doesn't, but if it ever came out
that he did have a grown son or daughter somewhere, I wouldn't be
surprised at all.

:-)

Brenda

[crystaline2]

Hi All,

I was rereading "Sweet Life" last evening and came across the
section where Barry (and Garry) were discussing and laughing about a
paternity suit that a Deborah from Nebraska
filed against Barry.
*****************************************************************
It was 1975 when it happened on the same day that Clive told him that
Mandy was going to reach number one and Miles Lourie who was his
manager at the time told him he was broke and Deborah Collins from
Omaha Nebraska had filed a paternity suit against Barry.

Crystal

[sparky]

Hi Crystal,

Have you ever read whether the case was dismissed, etc. Or possibly
the gal was paid off...but if he was broke, perhaps Clive took care of
that aspect...

Sparky

[crystaline2]

Post by sparky
Hi Crystal,
Have you ever read whether the case was dismissed, etc. Or possibly
the gal was paid off...but if he was broke, perhaps Clive took care of
that aspect...
Sparky

More than likely it was dismissed because Barry had never heard of
this woman nor met her and it was probably proved she was a few french
fries short of a happy meal.

Crystal

[b***@aol.com]

More than likely it was dismissed because Barry had never heard of
this woman nor met her and it was probably proved she was a few french
fries short of a happy meal.
***
Or ... it was settled out of court, and Barry's progeny is quietly
going about his/her business somewhere.

Frankly, if he does have offspring, I hope he had a son. It would be
nice to think there's a young man out there who will be able to pass
along the rest of Barry's legacy. :-)

Brenda

[binker]

<<Frankly, if he does have offspring, I hope he had a son. It would be

nice to think there's a young man out there who will be able to pass
along the rest of Barry's legacy. :-) >>

Okay this is my last post on this...as my mental health is being
compromised here but...

Daughter's can pass on GENETIC material just as well as son's can...and
we can pass down names as well...so Barry's "legacy" would be just fine
in either's hands...

How incredibly sexist of you Brenda....SMACK!!!

Alex : )

[b***@aol.com]

How incredibly sexist of you Brenda....SMACK!!!


Alex : )

***
I'm not being sexist.

I'm being selfish.

The thought of a 30-year-old guy (who might resemble Barry and possibly
have inherited some of his talent) walking the earth is just a bigger
turn-on for me than the thought of a daughter doing the same thing .
:-)

Brenda

[sparky]

Brenda,

After all this time, don't you think that he would at least acknowledge
his own flesh and blood. After Barry's own biological father not
associating with him for years, I would think that Barry would not want
the same thing to happen to his own child. He doesn't have to give
details, places, etc., just an acknowledgement. Like you, Brenda, I'd
rather a tall, handsome, blue-eyed son with a romantic voice roaming
the earth...

Sparky

[b***@aol.com]

After all this time, don't you think that he would at least acknowledge

his own flesh and blood. After Barry's own biological father not
associating with him for years, I would think that Barry would not want

the same thing to happen to his own child.
***
Just because he hasn't acknowledged him publicly doesn't mean he hasn't
acknowledged him. :-)

(If we go with the the theory that this person exists).

Brenda

[anne12]

If Barry does have kids good for him. And if he does not want to tell us.
Then thats the way it should be.Anne

[April B]

OMG, i knew it, it is Clay Aiken, Clay is barry's son.

[binker]

Post by crystaline2
More than likely it was dismissed because Barry had never heard of
this woman nor met her and it was probably proved she was a few french
fries short of a happy meal.
Crystal

Happy Meal...did someone say Happy Meal...I feel a song coming on...or
maybe a poem?

Alex : )

[Michelle]

Post by crystaline2
Deborah Collins from
Omaha Nebraska had filed a paternity suit against Barry.
Crystal

There's a Deb Collins who is/was a newscaster in Lincoln, who is just
about the right age. And, I'm pretty sure, she's originally from Omaha.
Hmmm... I wonder!

[Deb.]

I don't know Sparky.. as a mom of five I can sincerley say that having
or not having children is a 'mistake'.....

Sometimes, the same qualities that would make a good parent, can also
make a good 'mentor'....

Has he? Does he? Would he? ... still questions... and I am guessing
if he wanted us to know... he would of told us...

;)
deb...

[whoneedz2dreem]

But.......he did tell us.
I never understood why he wrote that, but didn't follow through.
He did say he never heard of her, but could that be because he was with a
lot of women?
Never siad the outcome of what he did about it, becuase he would have had
to do something.
He just kind of left it hanging there.
We wouldn't even know about this had he not written it in his own book.
There are a few things in the book that he leaves hanging out there!
But I did love reading it.
He's a good writer.

[b***@aol.com]

There are a few things in the book that he leaves hanging out there!
But I did love reading it.
He's a good writer.
***
Just my own opinion, but I kinda think Barry likes to keep an air of
mystery about himself. Rather than completely close off any and all
discussion about his private life, he seems to "tease" us with just
enough info to keep us interested (and guessing).

And I agree with you - Barry has a terrific writing style - very
conversational and easy to read. I wish he could somehow find the time
to write more books.

Brenda

[sparky]

Deb,

Post by whoneedz2dreem

We wouldn't even know about this had he not written it in his own book. <<<

I agree with you...if Barry didn't want us to think about the
possibility of his having sired children, then he should not have
mentioned a paternity suit in his book in the first place.
The topic invites discussion.

Sparky

Post by whoneedz2dreem
But.......he did tell us.
I never understood why he wrote that, but didn't follow through.
He did say he never heard of her, but could that be because he was with a
lot of women?
Never siad the outcome of what he did about it, becuase he would have had
to do something.
He just kind of left it hanging there.
We wouldn't even know about this had he not written it in his own book.
There are a few things in the book that he leaves hanging out there!
But I did love reading it.
He's a good writer.

[redcat]

I vividly remember a concert (mid to late '80s) where Barry said a fan had
named her son after him;he said he was just glad he wasn't named in a
paternity suit...so, he's joked about it as well.

redcat

[b***@aol.com]

I agree with you...if Barry didn't want us to think about the
possibility of his having sired children, then he should not have
mentioned a paternity suit in his book in the first place.
The topic invites discussion.
***
He also threw out a teaser in the last Barrygram's Q&A, which didn't
exactly discourage discussion.

Brenda

[Pats]

To answer your question, sparky...

..Not unless BM really is chatting online incognito (don't bet the farm
on it) as ***@hotmail.com, FoxAtThePiano, Foxy061746, or whatever
the new screen name is now, ever since I busted some sick fans over a year
ago who were pretending to be him.

Not only that, but they seemed to believe (or else just enjoyed playing
mind games on the naive and trusting fans) that BM had secretly married a
gal from the UK named Vivienne (after paying off her abusive husband's
silence of course), adopted her two teenage boys, and had an infant son
named Joseph with her in Oct. 2004 (after the Detroit ONL concert).

LOL...talk about your "french fries short of a happy meal!" Ya gotta
admire their creativity, though. I wonder what story they're going with
now, and who else is getting played?

It's really kinda funny if it weren't so sad; I would think that if BM had
finally found love and happiness with a wife and child, he wouldn't be able
to keep such wonderful news a secret (like that freak Cruise of TomKat fame
on Oprah's couch); no, like any normal "regular" guy like BM claims to be,
he'd want to take her out and show her off. Unless maybe she's half his
age and twice his size...you know how unforgiving Hollywood is about
plus-size women. A "nice guy" like BM would probably tell her that he's
keeping her secret in order to protect her privacy.

Thanks sparky for giving me an opening to expose these frauds, in case any
other lurkers here had been hurt similarly by these seriously disturbed
individuals in need of professional help and, well, a real life. And that
goes also for BM's allegedly AIDS-ridden friend/daughter Sheila.

Anyone who thinks that BM, or even his "people" on paid salary, has time
or desire for anything but his own career (or solitude), which includes
chatting online, is either fooling themselves or being taken for a royal
ride. BM decided a long time ago that fame and money were more important
to him than having a family, or making and directing his music from the
background, in anonymity. But that's his choice and not my concern. My
job is to make my own choices for my own life.

God, Allah, Jehovah, Karma, or whomever will judge the guilty such as
those sick fans though, and they won't be able to hide or justify
themselves without making things right first. That's good enough for me.

Peace out everyone.

[redcat]

I hate to burst your bubble here, about this particular 'psycho fan', but I
know a vivienne from the UK....this is called BANTER. HUMOR. SARCASM. In
no way does she mean this is serious any more than I have illusions of
looking like Christie Brinkley. Sorry to rain on the parade.

redcat

[Michelle]

Pats wrote:
talk about your "french fries short of a happy meal!"


Yes, dear... you are a few fries short of a Happy Meal, if you thought
for a second that Vivienne was being serious!

As Barry's old boss has said.... "f*** 'em if they can't take a joke!"

[Pats]

<< As Barry's old boss has said.... "f*** 'em if they can't take a joke!"
Well, I don't consider someone pretending to be someone else, and then
dragging others into their sick lies a joke, but whatever.

Guess it was also a joke that someone named "Margaret" privately emailed
to say that Vivienne is dead? Plus, she only mentioned Vivienne's two
sons, but forgot the third one named Joseph that she had with BM...nice to
forget your own grandchild there Grandma. Interesting that "Vivienne's
mom" not only reads the Barry Manilow boards during her period of grief,
but has MY private paid email address, instead of the free one I use here
on the NG.

Nice try. Oh, I guess this one was a joke too...oops. LOLOLOLOL, see?
Maybe I can take a joke after all!

[Deb.]

Well, I don't consider someone pretending to be someone else, and then
dragging others into their sick lies a joke, but whatever.

Guess it was also a joke that someone named "Margaret" privately
emailed
to say that Vivienne is dead? Plus, she only mentioned Vivienne's two
sons, but forgot the third one named Joseph that she had with BM...nice
to
forget your own grandchild there Grandma. Interesting that "Vivienne's

mom" not only reads the Barry Manilow boards during her period of
grief,
but has MY private paid email address, instead of the free one I use
here
on the NG.

----------
What'a What'a?

This sincerely makes no sense .... (meaning I cannot follow it)...

deb...

[Pats]

Hi Deb...

It's nothing. Literally. Ignore them. Just an interaction with some
sick fans who have been lying to me about everything, including pretending
to be Barry Manilow chatting online, ever since the day I met them three
years ago.

They are to be pitied. But I've released them to the Lord's hands and am
praying for them. When they grow up, they'll start taking responsibility
for their actions, not to mention telling the truth.

Don't worry about me. They did me a favor by tossing me from their group
a year ago, rather than show me any kindness or compassion when I entered
medical treatment for depression. The fact that I didn't fit in with
liars and thieves just let me know that I'm on the right track, and
enabled me to make a better class of friends.

Anyway, part of my healing was to warn other lurkers here who may have
been hurt by these middle aged, junior high school, chain-smoking drunks
(yes, they showed up drunk the first time I met them in person; way to
make an impression). Hence, my post of Friday night.

Forget about them Deb. Enjoy your music without them.

[emsablue]

You are so full of shit we should re name you Daisy the Cow.

The gals you are referring to were late for a photo op the YOU bailed out
of at Mandalay Bay, because they were jet lagged for Christs sake.

Also, for someone so out of the Manilow loop, what the fuck are you doing
reading the boards so well? Pats? You are the sicko here. I have 500
stories about you to your five, Get a freakin life.

You say you're done, then be done. GO already.

I feel sorry for you.

Em :)

[redcat]

Colorfully (yet very well) said...remind me not to make you mad at me...

:) Redcat

[Pats]

******You are so full of shit we should re name you Daisy the Cow.*******

There ya go. Resort to name-calling when you have nothing else, including
brains.


*******The gals you are referring to were late for a photo op the YOU
bailed out
of at Mandalay Bay, because they were jet lagged for Christs
sake.********

Oh, is that what they told you? Nice of you to get both sides of the
story before making up your own mind. I was there for the photo op, sorry
to inform you. Don't worry, I shredded my copy of the photo over a year
ago. I still have the negative though.

I also have the receipt for the computer mouse that I was nice enough to
buy for Sue Ellen Moore when hers broke, and the vintage Barry tee shirt
and ONL program I bought for Crystal when she was going through a rough
time with Jason's surgery.

That's okay; I'm a giver who doesn't need you to feel good about myself,
and folks like you are ungrateful takers, and karma can be a bitch just
like certain obsessed fan group leaders of an aging superstar. Don't get
me wrong, I'm grateful for the valuable lesson to not waste any more time,
money, or energies on takers.


*******Also, for someone so out of the Manilow loop, what the fuck are you
doing reading the boards so well?***********

Not that I owe you a thing, but maybe I like to browse a public web board
once in awhile, just in case someone says something interesting? Still a
free country. Grow up; you don't own this NG.


*********You are the sicko here. I have 500
stories about you to your five,**********

As usual, I have no idea what you are talking about, unless it's 500 lies
told to me and about me.

************Get a freakin life.***********

Pot, meet kettle.

*******You say you're done, then be done. GO already.*********

Ah, there's that welcoming fanilow compassion I've heard so much about.
At least all of you have the good sense to stay in your own locked
compounds, not unlike a cult.

------------------

I just don't understand how fanilows such as yourself can be so selfish,
ungrateful, hateful, dishonest, and cruel...esp. considering the beautiful
lyrics BM is capable of singing. Bunch of phonies, all of you, can't even
use your real name or email addy to post.

Don't bother responding.

--------------------------

[redcat]

That's okay; I'm a giver who doesn't need you to feel good about myself,and
folks like you are ungrateful takers, and karma can be a bitch just
like certain obsessed fan group leaders of an aging superstar.
**************
Which is why you pointed out exactly what you GAVE? Givers don't need to
justify or explain that they give. A very wise friend gives me two pieces
of wisdom: "They know we're Christians by our love" and "Assholes always
show their true selves."

I have had many, many, MANY wonderful experiences with those you
name...and I will stand here and publicly say I have NEVER met more
selfless, giving, loving people in my entire life.
Whatever happened between you and that group is your business, but based
on my experience with them, I know what I believe.

redcat

[t***@gmail.com]

He does have a child he lives in Kent his name is Alan

[unknown]

Unblock my damned email addy !
Gill

[Deb.]

Unblock my damned email addy !
Gill


-------
?

deb...

[unknown]

I apologise Deb and everyone. I was talking to Pats. WHY??..I don't know
!! I shouldnt have posted it on the NG.

Gill x



-------
?

deb...

[unknown]

I apologise Deb and everyone. I was talking to Pats. WHY??..I don't
know!!
I shouldnt have posted it on the NG.

Gill x



-------
?

deb...

[Pats]

Gill...you and your lying pack of goons need to leave me alone until you
can grow up and learn to tell the truth, and think about someone else
besides your own needs and egos. Besides, I don't owe any of you
anything; y'all bailed on me a year ago, remember? All I wanted was
friendship; you guys wanted a naive stooge for your sick mind games.
LEAVE ME ALONE!

[emsablue]

Go fuck yourself, loon!!

Btw, how are the hips these days? Not to mention your Barry fantasies?

Creep

[Deb.]

Unless maybe she's half his
age and twice his size...you know how unforgiving Hollywood is about
plus-size women.

------------
sooo true but when those skletons keel over... or are swept away by the
wind.... who else is left?

hehe
deb...
(a plus size and 5'11).....

[strugglebuggy]

He answered that pretty clearly on Larry King: no.

[Annilow]

I think mainly he wants some private life private, but also that by
keeping us guessing we get to fill in the blanks with our own fantasies.

[redcat]

God knows I have several of those I could share with him.... :)

redcat

[Annilow]

Post by redcat
God knows I have several of those I could share with him.... :)
redcat

me too!

Ann

[Patricia Butler]

Post by sparky
Hi All,
I was rereading "Sweet Life" last evening and came across the
section where Barry (and Garry) were discussing and laughing about a
paternity suit that a Deborah from Nebraska
filed against Barry. Does anyone think that Barry might have a grown
child whose mother may have been paid off for her silence...at that
time, Barry has very hot as a singer and
I believe that Garry and Barry would do anything that came in the way
of Barry's career
success. Has anyone ever checked out that gal? I assume that Patricia
Butler might have done some homework in that area and either found
nothing or was blocked for some reason.
Yet Barry does not strike me as the type who could just ignore his own
flesh and blood, even for a career.... Yes, most of us do think that
B&G are a couple but Barry was once young and perhaps liked to
experiment...all those gals throwing themselves at him...
Just a thought....
If Barry has no children, I feel that this was a big mistake on his
part as he would have been a good father, especially concerning his
patience. Everyone knows how young children get bored easily and need
to be constantly stimulated; Barry could keep the child very happy with
constant new ideas, etc.
Sparky

His marriage was annulled for non-consummation. If he didn't have sex with the woman he was married to, what would make you believe he'd be going around having sex with random women?

[Jim UK]

Patricia, some of the fans just can't accept that Barry is gay and was born gay. They have to have that glimmer of hope there to keep their fantasies alive. Its pathetic, isn't it?

[g***@gmail.com]

This is a fascinating bit of gossip. Thanks to whomever dug it up

[A***@yahoo.com]

Post by Jim UK
Patricia, some of the fans just can't accept that Barry is gay and was born gay. They have to have that glimmer of hope there to keep their fantasies alive. Its pathetic, isn't it?

There's no need for that.

He said a few years ago that he loved his wife and his wife said that the marriage was consummated.

[Jim UK]

Of course Barry said that. He was so far back in the closet he could have been in Narnia. Don’t believe a word that ever comes from him or any of the Manilow camp, his career has been a pack of lies from the start. Even his age! He was born gay and that marriage was a sham. FFS, it’s an insult that you persist in believing there might be a tiny piece of him that might be interested in a woman. Enjoy his music and shut the fuck up.

[Patricia]

Post by A***@yahoo.com

Post by Jim UK
Patricia, some of the fans just can't accept that Barry is gay and was born gay. They have to have that glimmer of hope there to keep their fantasies alive. Its pathetic, isn't it?

There's no need for that.
He said a few years ago that he loved his wife and his wife said that the marriage was consummated.

She never said any such thing.

[A***@yahoo.com]

Post by Patricia

Post by A***@yahoo.com

Post by Jim UK
Patricia, some of the fans just can't accept that Barry is gay and was born gay. They have to have that glimmer of hope there to keep their fantasies alive. Its pathetic, isn't it?

There's no need for that.
He said a few years ago that he loved his wife and his wife said that the marriage was consummated.

She never said any such thing.

Yes he did. Look up some of the articles on his recent marriage.

[Jim UK]

Asteroid, get some therapy, you deluded bitch. He is gay, get that in to your thick head. FFS.

[Patricia Butler]

Post by A***@yahoo.com

Post by Patricia

Post by A***@yahoo.com

Post by Jim UK
Patricia, some of the fans just can't accept that Barry is gay and was born gay. They have to have that glimmer of hope there to keep their fantasies alive. Its pathetic, isn't it?

There's no need for that.
He said a few years ago that he loved his wife and his wife said that the marriage was consummated.

She never said any such thing.

Yes he did. Look up some of the articles on his recent marriage.

You said his wife said that the marriage was consummated. She never said any such thing.

[Brenda M]

Just because a guy is gay doesn’t mean he’s never had sex with a woman. People do experiment.

I mean, Garry is gay and he’s been with a woman...and his daughter is living proof that it happened.

So why couldn’t Barry have done the same?

I don’t get why there’s even a debate.

Also ... Somebody help me out ... didn’t Lorna Luft write about having had sex with Barry, saying he was “distracted”?

Brenda

[Kristen Cladek]

Post by Brenda M
Just because a guy is gay doesn’t mean he’s never had sex with a woman. People do experiment.
I mean, Garry is gay and he’s been with a woman...and his daughter is living proof that it happened.
So why couldn’t Barry have done the same?
I don’t get why there’s even a debate.
Also ... Somebody help me out ... didn’t Lorna Luft write about having had sex with Barry, saying he was “distracted”?
Brenda

Brenda, Can't help you on the Lorna Luft bit, but I do believe I recall Barry saying something about having helped raise Garry's daugther, Kirsten (sp?)

As for Jim, the whole having been with the woman thing, he was young and it was at a time where being gay wasn't accepted. It's not hard to believe at all that he was married for a short period of time. He's living his truth now and has been pretty public about it. Don't get so angry!

-Kristen

[a***@gmail.com]

Post by Kristen Cladek

Post by Brenda M
Just because a guy is gay doesn’t mean he’s never had sex with a woman. People do experiment.
I mean, Garry is gay and he’s been with a woman...and his daughter is living proof that it happened.
So why couldn’t Barry have done the same?
I don’t get why there’s even a debate.
Also ... Somebody help me out ... didn’t Lorna Luft write about having had sex with Barry, saying he was “distracted”?
Brenda

Brenda, Can't help you on the Lorna Luft bit, but I do believe I recall Barry saying something about having helped raise Garry's daugther, Kirsten (sp?)
As for Jim, the whole having been with the woman thing, he was young and it was at a time where being gay wasn't accepted. It's not hard to believe at all that he was married for a short period of time. He's living his truth now and has been pretty public about it. Don't get so angry!
-Kristen

Hi Kristen,

I love the way you stated that: he's living his truth now.
#goals for everyone

Best,
Annie