Barry and Garry Made Page 6

[Brenda M]

Yikes!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pagesix.com/2019/08/10/barry-manilow-fighting-horribly-with-hubby-manager-amid-broadway-flop/amp/

P.S. I must say, Garry’s aging way better than his spouse. (Sorry to beat you to it, Annie!)

PSS ... I wonder how many of those empty seats belong to fans like me who pretty much lost all interest?

[q***@gmail.com]

Barry was 81% last week in attendance, which is very good by industry standards. All the references by Page 6 on the low attendance projections were prior to the start of the run and these lazy "reporters" have not bothered to update that the attendance has done well, since the poor projections at the start.

I have no idea about the fighting, but the lazy reporting leaves me with doubts about the veracity of that.

Sure, Barry may not sell out in 30 minutes like the old days, or even at all, but the show has enjoyed rave reviews and has made me so proud of our guy.

[D]

Post by Brenda M
Yikes!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/pagesix.com/2019/08/10/barry-manilow-fighting-horribly-with-hubby-manager-amid-broadway-flop/amp/
P.S. I must say, Garry’s aging way better than his spouse. (Sorry to beat you to it, Annie!)
PSS ... I wonder how many of those empty seats belong to fans like me who pretty much lost all interest?

Years ago, Barry had a fairly sizable number of fans who would follow him everywhere and watch every show. For those who did that... and still do... I've said that if they have the time and money to do it, go for it. MY personal situation has never allowed for it, and I've never had the interest... but that's me.

BUT, over the years, the number of people who can and still are willing to do that has been shrinking. Not everyone has the money any more. Some have lost interest. Some no longer have the physical capability. And, yes, some have simply died off. In other words, Barry's fan base ain't gettin' any younger, no matter how much BarryCo might want to pretend otherwise.

"A week and a half and out" seems in hindsight like it was the better idea.

[Brenda M]

D ...

You nailed it. Barry’s fan base is older and it’s shrinking, and once those bodies are lost, there’s just no replacing them.

I wonder who the source was? It’s obviously someone in the inner circle who can’t stand Garry. The bon-bon comment was really cruel.

This fighting can’t be good for Barry’s health. Poor guy.


Brenda

[q***@gmail.com]

I don't disagree with what you said D; it is reasonable and logical. I would just add three points:

1.) The shrinking fan base, to the extent it is shrinking, is not a surprise. No one tours more than Barry, even in the last four years, and so he can see the diminishing crowds/ticket sales. The concerts don't really sell out 100% nor does Vegas. (But he certainly does well enough to make it worthwhile financially and to make the ventures a success). As a former mega pop star reaches toward his 80s, a decrease in fan base is natural.

2.) The path of the decrease in fan base, such that it exists, is running in alignment with the probable runway to the end of his performing days. He has done 4 or 5 farewell tours in the last 15years and one would expect is in the twilight of his performing days. Again, the diminished sales, to the extent they exist, are natural and understood. (This is likely why Barry may have wanted a smaller schedule, if the rumor is right).

And 3)-- Barry is on fire on Broadway. He is brining down the house like someone 1/2 his age. The news of this tour is not what is read on Page 6, but rather the powerful performances, as noted by Forbes, the Times, and 2-3 other news organizations, that Barry has put on. Barry is a pro!

Again, D, I agree with you. Just wanted to add the foregoing to my concurring opinion.

[Maria M]

You are correct Quinncy.

As someone who has been to 8 shows so far and knows how Broadway works- this “reporter” was extremely lazy and wrong. He also seemed to have an axe to grind with Garry.

The mezzanine has been sold out every show. Just a few sporadic seats here and there. The orchestra has also been very full. Just some side seats, in the back, with sporadic singles have been empty.

The audiences have been incredible! Thunderous applause and ovations- from civilians.

He doesn’t need the fans to follow him. This is Broadway in New York City. We buy show tickets last minute.

As for Barry- he looks fantastic. His boundless energy is incredible to watch. Again- having been to the shows, I’ve personally see all of this.

Those that believe the nonsense of the article do so because they want to believe it. That’s just sad for them.

Maria

[Brenda M]

And it’s sad sycophants like you, Maria, who still make the whole fan world so amusing.

Yes, I’m sure the article is all lies. Barry is selling out like crazy, and their world is all fairy dust and rainbows.

[Maria M]

And it is bitter shrews like you Brenda who only re-emerge here when there is something negative to talk about.

You are so predictable. Kills you that there are fans who really still love him and enjoy the shows. Sad you are so miserable.

[Brenda M]

I’m not bitter at all. I just keep coming here to see if you’re still an idiot. I do like to laugh.

Just keep that kool-aid glass full in one hand and a fist full of cash in the other. They can take your money and refill your cup all at the same time. :-)

[q***@gmail.com]

Post by Maria M
And it is bitter shrews like you Brenda who only re-emerge here when there is something negative to talk about.
You are so predictable. Kills you that there are fans who really still love him and enjoy the shows. Sad you are so miserable.

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Maria is 100% true here, Brenda. Just say it. I promise you will feel better. You are NOT a fan. You do NOT like Barry. That explains why you only show up to sew discord and celebrate the negative.

The way you described yourself earlier on this thread all but confirms it. A fan "who has lost all interest" is not a fan, Brenda.

That's why the tone, and tenor, and texture of your messages are all the same. And thats ok. All here would welcome you, anyway. :)

But you will have to excuse the "rainbows and fair dust." We are just so excited about what Grandpa Barry is accomplishing. Sell outs or not. Personal issues or not. He is our guy.

[Brenda M]

Q,

You admitted a long time ago you’re a member of TM.

You’re just one of the ones pouring the kool-aid. Fans like Maria are your money train.

So please stop pretending you’re impartial. We’re not all morons.

Brenda

[Brenda M]

Okay ... I’m calling it now ...

The next time Barry performs, he’ll call Garry to the stage so he can publicly profess his undying admiration for him.

You know, fairy dust, rainbows and moonbeams.

That’ll fix this PR debacle.

(Bazza and Gazza ... you’re welcome!)

[Maria M]

I think Barry already did that, in Denver, at MWM remember?

Oh, right, you wouldn’t because you weren’t there nor were you invited.

Bitter much?

[Brenda M]

Maria,

What in the hell are you yammering about?

[q***@gmail.com]

Your bitterness, Brenda.

[Brenda M]

Oh... the Barry calling Garry to the stage thing?

So what. That was years ago. I’m talking about the present.

Try to focus.

By the way... uh... pretty much anyone willing to fork over money was “invited” to that, you fool. I never had any interest in attending in the first place.

You really are a clueless lemming.

[Maria M]

“By the way... uh... pretty much anyone willing to fork over money was “invited” to that, you fool. I never had any interest in attending in the first place. You really are a clueless lemming. “

MWM was free. It’s not me who is clueless.

[Brenda M]

Plane tickets to Denver and hotels are not free, sweetums.

[IreneH]

Ok. Who do you 'think' the source is?

[Brenda M]

Wanted to add ...

I forwarded this article to a member of my family. Garry has done some nice things for my family in the past, so a few of those folks know who he is.

She was utterly disgusted by how much of a jerk this article portrays him to be.

So believe it or not, I’m hoping the “source” is full of shit and none of this is true.

But hoping isn’t always believing.

Sigh ...

[q***@gmail.com]

Post by Brenda M
And it’s sad sycophants like you, Maria, who still make the whole fan world so amusing.
Yes, I’m sure the article is all lies. Barry is selling out like crazy, and their world is all fairy dust and rainbows.

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Brenda, Maria has been AT THE SHOWS, seen the crowds and audience FIRST HAND. It's you who are relying on Page 6. See any mention of an "ocean of empty seats" from the reviewers who have been at his shows? The Times, Forbes, local news outlets have all been there - but not a peep about this "flop," as the gossip page makes it out to be. Just pull the reviews.

The article is not lies; its just not followed through. The author states that there are poor ticket sales, notes the first shows are sellouts, and states that the rest of the run will be half full. But there is no follow-up to confirm the rest of the run is, in fact, 1/2 full. The reason? Its not true. And the truth would take away from the juicy headline. Its not that the author is lying; its that he is content to turn a blind eye toward evidence that might undermine his sensational headline. I will take Maria's viewpoint any day. You can also pull the Playbill $$ and see his draw was 81% at last count. Why no mention of that on Page 6?

The fan world IS amusing. What Barry is doing IS incredible. And we fans treasure the music and the performances, and the heart (as we can see it) of the man. And he is ON BROADWAY! Call it "fairy dust and rainbows" if you like, I call it pretty damn cool. Especially because I know its not easy; it takes years of work on your craft, even through terrible reviews and commenters. That IS pretty amusing.

Who will run his career or who he loves does not interest me in the slightest.

[Brenda M]

What I find really interesting is that everyone is so quick to bash the reporter when the focus should be on the source.

It’s obviously someone close to Barry who can’t stand Garry, since this article distinctly portrays Barry as the victim and Garry as the money-grubbing asshole trying to grind every last auto-tuned note of his husband.

I’m betting I know who the source is.

Have a nice day.

[marvin]

The article is not lies; its just not followed through. The author states that there are poor ticket sales, notes the first shows are sellouts, and states that the rest of the run will be half full. But there is no follow-up to confirm the rest of the run is, in fact, 1/2 full. The reason? Its not true. And the truth would take away from the juicy headline. Its not that the author is lying; its that he is content to turn a blind eye toward evidence that might undermine his sensational headline. I will take Maria's viewpoint any day. You can also pull the Playbill $$ and see his draw was 81% at last count. Why no mention of that on Page 6?

Dear Q,
While I do not want to write about what is objective journalism and what is not factual- Page Six of the NY Post has been known for decades as a place for gossip with a sensational headline and of course sources of information that remain unnamed. Maybe some of the stuff about the Barry/Garry relationship could be accurate, but the article is writing about speculation from someone that may have an axe to grind with Garry or Barry and it reads like dirty laundry more than good reporting. Too much of the information in the story seems to be highly exaggerated to be accurate. Thanks, Marvin

[Carmen]

Sticking my 5 cents in (inflation, don’t you know). I noticed something: For what it’s worth, I think the writer is, or is pretending to be, from the UK, based on their usage of “Bazza” & “Gazza” in the column. Those are “Barry” & “Garry” in some form of British slang &, at least at the beginning of Barry’s career in the UK (not sure if they do it as much these days), the British newspapers—especially the more tabloid kind—almost always called Barry “Bazza” instead of “Barry”. And they’d also call him that when they wanted to crap on him—which is exactly what they’re doing here.

[Brenda M]

Carmen,

Yeah,I wondered about that whole Bazza and Gazza thing as well. Weird reference that could only confuse a lot of Page 6 regulars.

But I don’t see the article as crapping on Barry half as much as it is crapping on his manager. It strongly portrays Barry as the victim in all this.

As for who I believe the source to be (in response to a different post), I would have to be an idiot to post a name (especially when I certainly could be wrong!).

Let’s just say not everyone in Barry’s inner circle loves his spouse like Barry does. And the feeling is mutual.

Hopefully they can resolve their differences peacefully and move on, and the Source stops speaking to the media.

[h***@gmail.com]

I’ve been to two of the Broadway shows. Staying near NYC is cost prohibitive for me these days. But I agree with Maria’s account. Reporters calling it a flop are inaccurate, although a selfish part of me wishes they were right. I can find seats, but none worth the crazy expense of traveling all the way back, and I like sitting further back than most fans! The rear side orchestra seats aren’t selling as well because theres a decent supply of front center orchestra seats for less money at other shows. (I know because my family made different choices with our limited city budget.)

As for the rest, it’s not really my business except to wish that Barry and his team are happier than “reported.” The shows have great positive energy, and were all I hoped they’d be and more. So I want to help set the record straight. If anybody wants to call me names for that, it says more about them than me.

[q***@gmail.com]

Post by h***@gmail.com
I’ve been to two of the Broadway shows. Staying near NYC is cost prohibitive for me these days. But I agree with Maria’s account. Reporters calling it a flop are inaccurate, although a selfish part of me wishes they were right. I can find seats, but none worth the crazy expense of traveling all the way back, and I like sitting further back than most fans! The rear side orchestra seats aren’t selling as well because theres a decent supply of front center orchestra seats for less money at other shows. (I know because my family made different choices with our limited city budget.)
As for the rest, it’s not really my business except to wish that Barry and his team are happier than “reported.” The shows have great positive energy, and were all I hoped they’d be and more. So I want to help set the record straight. If anybody wants to call me names for that, it says more about them than me.

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Thank you.

[Brenda M]

But ironing out finer points in terms of audience or fan base size isn’t really the issue.

The real issue is who should have the bigger say in Barry’s career choices.

It kinda looks like maybe Barry should, If this article is entirely factual.

I know they both love each other, but perhaps it’s time Their relationship stayed personal and someone else was brought in to manage the professional side. These guys are too old to stress themselves out arguing backstage. I’d sincerely hate to see one of them keel over fighting over dollars.

[Suzan]

I haven't posted or read anything on this site in about a year. I came back this morning to read some of the comments, and not much has changed! It's the same players and the same bickering and drama.

But, I popped in here because I happened to see Garry for a moment last night as I walked to my seat. Coincidentally, he asked me with a grin if I'd seen the Page 6 article! I replied yes, and that I disagreed that the run was a flop. He stated that nothing in the article was true and that he'd even been told ahead of time that they planned to publish it, and "would he like to comment?" (He said he briefly considered making a smart-ass remark, then realized they'd just twist it out of context, so instead he hit "delete".) He emphasized that no one ever bothers to check the facts--for this or many other articles. I teased him that I wish we'd brought him some bon bons and he laughed and said he hadn't eaten bon bons since he was a kid! I'm sure he was frustrated by the article (naturally), but he's dealt with bad press in the past, and he knew that responding would just make it worse. He seemed resigned that people would believe whatever they wanted anyway.

I'm no syncophant, but I will say that the theater didn't appear partly empty at any of the 3 shows I attended. I will be in NY for a day longer than I expected due to business, so I checked ticketmaster for this Tuesday: there are 2 balcony seats left, about a dozen in the corners of the mezazanine, and maybe about 100 or so seats available in the rear orchestra. It's a 1500 seat theater, so that means the show is over 90% full. That's definitely not a flop. I expect the few remaining seats will fill in before showtime.

The shows have been high energy, and the crowds have been very enthusiastic. The audience is on its feet with extended cheers over and over--no one, and I mean no one, can belt out a big, emotional ballad like Manilow. Saturday's show was the highlight and I can honestly say it was one of the best Manilow shows I've attended in the past couple years--and I've been fortunate to attend a LOT of shows. It's still a celebration of the hits, of course, but it's a different show than in Vegas, and it appears to be running a full two hours. In short, I've had a blast.

For those who've lost interest, that's ok. Be well, and I hope you find many other things in your life that bring you joy. For those who still enjoy the man and the music, I know you'll have a fantastic time if you are able to attend. For me, there's still magic every time the curtain goes up.

Suzan

[q***@gmail.com]

Very well stated.

[Lulu]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 5:50:07 PM UTC+2, Suzan wrote:
For me, there's still magic every time the curtain goes up.

Suzan

Thank you, Suzan. I feel exactly the same.

Lulu

[Carmen]

Me too, Suzan. Even though I think my road trip days are over... at least for now.

[IreneH]

https://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/entertainment-columns/kats/barry-manilow-having-a-great-time-in-nyc-despite-reports-1825033/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Garry 'snaps' back with a little help from his friend.

[Brenda M]

Yikes ... some of the comments are brutal ...

https://dlisted.com/2019/08/12/barry-manilows-broadway-show-is-reportedly-causing-him-martial-problems/

[s***@gmail.com]

Ever get the feeling that some folks here WANT this to be true? Seem to be gloating over the stories?

[q***@gmail.com]

Post by s***@gmail.com
Ever get the feeling that some folks here WANT this to be true? Seem to be gloating over the stories?

[q***@gmail.com]

Post by s***@gmail.com
Ever get the feeling that some folks here WANT this to be true? Seem to be gloating over the stories?

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Tonight's show--a Tuesday no less--will sell out.

Success is the best revenge.

Haters gonna hate. Its what they do.

[Maria M]

Post by s***@gmail.com
Ever get the feeling that some folks here WANT this to be true? Seem to be gloating over the stories?

Yup. Sad, isn’t it?

Shows are incredible and Quinncy is right- tonight there are vert few seats left. I loved Garry’s comeback article this morning. He’ll be getting bonbons as gifts for years to come.

Maria

[D]

Post by Maria M

Post by s***@gmail.com
Ever get the feeling that some folks here WANT this to be true? Seem to be gloating over the stories?

Yup. Sad, isn’t it?
Shows are incredible and Quinncy is right- tonight there are vert few seats left. I loved Garry’s comeback article this morning. He’ll be getting bonbons as gifts for years to come.
Maria

This isn't directed specifically at Maria; hers was the last post in the thread, so that's what my system is picking up for a response.

I think it goes the other direction much more.
Yeah, there are some of us who saw through the bullshytt years ago... that no, everything is NOT all peaches and cream in BarryWorld 24/7/365... that see through the "we just wuvs our fansies SOOOO muchly" stuff...

And then there are those who seem to believe that nothing Barry ever does is wrong, as if he's some sort of god. "Barry Pharts the Phoenix Phonebook"... oh, it's his very bestest album EVER, how DARE anybody criticize him!

So don't even go there with the "some folks want it to be true" crap.

[q***@gmail.com]

But this criticism is unfair. His B'way shows have done well and he is in excellent voice. These articles are not only wrong, they are libelous. And if they are wrong and libelous about easily comfirmable facts, why should anyone have any confidence in the accuracy of things we cannot confirm, such as a secret "source"?

I am all for the freedom to be critical. But fundamentally this criticism is unfair. And so those who would seek to perpetuate it, knowing it is likely false (because they can go to B'way attendance sources and confirm the falsity of the attendance reporting), are susceptible to criticism that they just want this reporting to be true--facts be damned.

[Maria M]

Post by D
So don't even go there with the "some folks want it to be true" crap.

But they do! Some folks just pounce on all things negative. Do I think he’d perfect? No. No one is. However- I would never ever publicly roast him. For some reason that gets some folks knickers in a twist. I adore him and have since I was 12. Why would I want to hurt him? Why such hate for those of us that refuse to publicly ridicule him?

I feel there are some that are just hateful & bitter. If they hate the man so much, move on and stop talking about him.

Maria

[Lulu]

Post by Maria M
If they hate the man so much, move on and stop talking about him.
Maria

Or go somewhere else where they can show their appreciation and support for the performer/musician they love. Why waste precious time in a place where the performer/musician is obviously not worth anything at all but hatred and ridicule. I'd get stomach ulcers if I do that.

Thank you, Maria.

Lulu

[h***@gmail.com]

I wonder who most wanted/needed him to be perfect- those who knew celebrities are partially illusions from the beginning and treat whatever faults they may have with grace, or those who need to broadcast shortcomings and have their disappointment validated in public?

I know Manilow and co. are human and therefore imperfect. I used to include something in my reviews that I didn’t like so they’d be more believable. But these days I’m just too thankful for what I can enjoy to bother dwelling on the rest of it.

[Brenda M]

Thanks, D.

Some sycophants confuse realism with negativism. If you dare post anything negative about Barry, you are Satan.

But if you post anything positive, these same ass-kissers will willfully ignore it.

I gave up caring what the blathering morons thought year ago.

In the end, the folks who have the most credibility are going to be the ones who have no agenda whatsoever, who just want to discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of fandom. It’s way more interesting than, you know, just playing the part of the slobbering puppy:

(Pant pant) “Luv me luv me luv me take my money luv luv me please oh please” (pant pant pant)

“Good doggy. Thank you for your money. Now go sit in the corner with the other good doggies!”

[Brenda M]

Speaking of slobbering pups ...

Is the Barrynet still around?

I haven’t thought of that place in years. Talk about a Velveeta factory.

[Scooter]

Post by Brenda M
Is the Barrynet still around?

Not sure. The old BarryNet address takes you to:

https://barrynethomepage.com/

Maybe I'm just not looking in the right place, but I couldn't
find the old message board. There's a "Message Board," but it
doesn't seem to have posts from members. Just news type stuff.

The local club stuff is way out of date. Lots of dead links. I
saw one club email address which was deactivated 15 years ago.

Its saving grace is lots of historical info.

I don't care for the layout. A performer of his stature
deserves better, IMHO.

Scooter

[Maria M]

Full house tonight @#ManilowBroadway!

Time to watch the master showman!

So much love here for this man!

Maria

[Brenda M]

I sincerely hipe you have a blast, Maria. You’ve earned it!

[Brenda M]

Scooter,

Thank you for researching that.

I was too lazy. :-)

[marvin]

The local club stuff is way out of date. Lots of dead links. I
saw one club email address which was deactivated 15 years ago.

Its saving grace is lots of historical info.

I don't care for the layout. A performer of his stature
deserves better, IMHO.

Scooter

Thank you for the information Scooter. I will miss Dana's reviews of Barry's shows on the Barrynet because she wrote with such detail, passion and had very high quality photos that made the reader feel that you were at the shows with her.
I am sorry that all the online activity has replaced the human contact and feelings that were part of Barry Manilow clubs years ago. It brought a lot of Barry fans together in sharing their enthusiasm and love for Barry and the music.
I will honesty admit that, although I mainly go to Barry concerts because I love his performance of his songs, I also must share how much I enjoy talking with fans prior to the start of and after the concerts about how much we enjoy Barry's songs and his performances. It is a lot of fun, particularly because we now live in violent times in which it is really not safe anymore to talk with anyone about anything one would call controversial, to share with others how much the Barry concerts mean to us. Thanks, Marvin

[Brenda M]

So here’s a question ...

Do you think there’s less interaction today (between the fans and other fans, or even between the fans and Team Manilow) because of more people relying on the Internet and Social Media, everyone getting more apathetic with age, or both?

[q***@gmail.com]

Post by Brenda M
So here’s a question ...
Do you think there’s less interaction today (between the fans and other fans, or even between the fans and Team Manilow) because of more people relying on the Internet and Social Media, everyone getting more apathetic with age, or both?

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Tonight and tomorrow night will both sell out on Broadway. Whole week has been a sellout.

[Angela Parker]

Hi Brenda,

For whatever reason, I do think there is less face-to-face interaction - but not just between fans or Team Manilow - between friends and extended family too. At least with social media I can sort of keep in touch with folks who've moved away or never lived close, and some who are even in the same town. It is also helps to keep up with Barry news because I don't have time to dig for it.

I'm not sure I would call it apathetic, but I do think time has a way of curbing your enthusiasm. When my mother passed last month she still loved Elvis. She and a friend had driven to Memphis when she was a teenager to try and find Graceland (she would NEVER have let me do that). Her passwords for all her accounts were Elvis related. Time had tempered her fandom, but she still loved him and we buried her in her Elvis watch.

I do still love Barry and his music and always will, but I have a lot more responsibilities than I did then - and those do take time and energy.

Angela

[Brenda M]

I hear ya, Angela.

I will always love Barry’s music, and I will forever cherish the friends and memories his music gave me.

But I’m just in a way different place. In fact, I’m getting ready to sell everything on EBay.

As you said, I’ve gotten so busy with other obligations and interests. But I still come here every so often to keep tabs. :-)

Bren

[D]

Post by Brenda M
I hear ya, Angela.
I will always love Barry’s music, and I will forever cherish the friends and memories his music gave me.
But I’m just in a way different place. In fact, I’m getting ready to sell everything on EBay.
As you said, I’ve gotten so busy with other obligations and interests. But I still come here every so often to keep tabs. :-)
Bren

Maybe it's just me... but seems like a lot of us either already have, or are getting ready to, put Barry collection up on eBay. I know I'm working on weeding through my old CD and DVD collections... I've got seven copy paper boxes full of CD's (not just Barry) to start listing... and another five or six boxes of DVD's too.
Then, of course, there's my friend Sarah's collection. A few months ago, her husband said he still hasn't worked his way back to that section of their spare room... but eventually he wants me to put her collection on eBay as well. (He claims to know nothing about eBay other than seeing it show up constantly on the credit card bills.) CD & DVD I can handle, but I've never tried selling any of the other stuff before. (She's got at least four different tour jackets that I know of, for example.)

But I think for all of us... it's not a question of fandom. It's more like... "this stuff made me happy at the time... but now it's just taking up space." Or maybe it's just not as important as it once was. Heck, right now I've got so much... umm... stuff (yeah, that's it) piled up in my basement that I can't even FIND things like my "Hey Mambo" maracas or my oversized "Manilow Sings Sinatra" martini glass. I'd put those up for sale too if I could find them! :-)

[Brenda M]

Well, here’s the thing...

I think many of us have just reached a point in our lives where it’s more practical to shed useless material objects, rather than acquire them.

Maybe if I had someone who would want this stuff when I die, I would want to purchase more bobble heads or maracas or shot glasses ... but right now it’s pretty much just a box of crap someone will have to sort through when I’m dead.

My roommate, Bridget (who was a fan of many entertainers, not just Barry) died this past Easter and I’m still trying to dispose of her stuff. And I don’t want to have to put that burden on someone else, you know? I don’t mean to sound so macabre, but I’d rather dispose of it myself.

If someone out there wants it and will enjoy it, great!
But Sometimes it’s just time to clean house.

Bren

[Scooter]

Post by Brenda M
Maybe if I had someone who would want this stuff when I
die, I would want to purchase more bobble heads or maracas
or shot glasses ... but right now it's pretty much just a
box of crap someone will have to sort through when I'm
dead.

Exactly. About 25 years ago when my mom passed, and then her
widowed sister three weeks later, my husband and I had to deal
with disposing of two houses full of their stuff. Believe me,
one of the kindest things you can do for those left to deal
with your stuff, is to get rid of the stuff you can live
without now. I sold what I could of my Manilow stuff, and
kept all the CDs and DVDs. Then a couple of years later, I
boxed all of those up, and gave them to charity. And got rid
of literally thousands of photos I had taken, along with all
the negatives. (Remember 35mm film?) It all went into the
trash.

Having stuff that sits in boxes for years, isn't the fun part
of collecting. The most fun, for me, was the hunt. The joy
of finding something rare in a used record store, or the
adrenaline rush of winning an auction of something you've been
hunting for years. That was the "thrill of the hunt."
Getting rid of stuff is very liberating.

And the extra storage space you discover is a nice side
benefit. :)

Scooter

[dcsharon]

I have often said (and have it in my will) whatever kills me, take the Manilow collection, sell it on Ebay and donate the proceeds. But, as I keep searching, there really isn't much value in the treasures I have collected. We missed the window of value (I think) by a decade at least. A friend has 4 or 5 gold records she's been hanging on to thinking they were worth a couple grand each. Now -- it's maybe $250 .. tops. As there's just no market for them anymore. I should have sold my 1976 tour book when I saw it for $300 on ebay. Now I think it's $50.

If someone is looking for something specific and I have it, I am generally just giving it away. I have given duplicates of albums to friends who lost theirs to flood or fire and I still have more copies thanks to very generous friends who find them and give them to me. :-)

If it brings someone else joy, let them have it. I will keep my CD's (for now) and anything autographed. But I don't own a record player, so keeping vinyl is taking up space.

(DC) Sharon

[Angela Parker]

Funny you should mention clearing out stuff. I found food in her pantry that expired in 2001. And literally hundreds of pages of stickers of puppies and flowers from organizations to which she had donated.

It has inspired me to start thinning my stuff big time.

However Brenda and Sharon, I do have room for an autographed copy of Sweet Life if you're selling one :)

Angela

[Brenda M]

Angela,

Sorry ... I can’t part with my autographed Sweet Life.

It will always take me back to a sweet part of my life, when I first met Barry in an autograph line in Chicago.

Those were such amazing times ... when just being young and laughing in a car with your friends during road trips was all you needed to be happy for a day.

[Angela Parker]

Brenda,

I don't blame you a bit! Those were such wonderful times.

Angela

[dcsharon]

I'm so sorry, Angela. The extra copy of Sweet Life that I had autographed was personalized - so it went to another Sharon (if only my name was Angela!).

If I find one that isn't personalized, I will let you know.

My original copy was signed at the NYC book signing and Entertainment Tonight was there. He had visited the "line" the night before so I said everything I could think of to say to him then. When I got in front of him, I froze and the only thing that came out of my mouth was a request for a kiss. If you recall the video (from 100 years ago) you'll see Barry kiss someone in a teal blue coat. That was me. So .. nope. Not parting with that one.



(DC) Sharon

[D]

Post by dcsharon
I have often said (and have it in my will) whatever kills me, take the Manilow collection, sell it on Ebay and donate the proceeds. But, as I keep searching, there really isn't much value in the treasures I have collected. We missed the window of value (I think) by a decade at least. A friend has 4 or 5 gold records she's been hanging on to thinking they were worth a couple grand each. Now -- it's maybe $250 .. tops. As there's just no market for them anymore. I should have sold my 1976 tour book when I saw it for $300 on ebay. Now I think it's $50.
If someone is looking for something specific and I have it, I am generally just giving it away. I have given duplicates of albums to friends who lost theirs to flood or fire and I still have more copies thanks to very generous friends who find them and give them to me. :-)
If it brings someone else joy, let them have it. I will keep my CD's (for now) and anything autographed. But I don't own a record player, so keeping vinyl is taking up space.
(DC) Sharon

Sharon...

You and Brenda and Scooter are all hitting on the same thing... which I need to start doing as well. CLEAR OUT ALL THIS STUFF so that my friends won't get stuck with it when I'm gone.

And Sharon, you nailed it on value as well. Several months ago, a friend and I were discussing eBay prices for various Barry items. He sold off a good chunk of his CD collection a few years ago, and managed to get mostly good prices for things like his Japanese Barry CD's. But these days? Even an original RCA "Manilow" CD, which used to go for over $200 if it ever showed up at all, *might* get $10 on a good day. The market just isn't there any more.

I don't know what might be in Sarah's collection; her mother seems to think I'll make a ton of money selling it on eBay for them. I keep trying to tell them not to get their hopes up, but I don't seem to get anywhere. Yes I KNOW she paid through the nose for those tour jackets. These days, they'd cost more to ship than what they'd likely sell for.

As for me... there was a time when I would track down all the variations on an album or whatever, but I'm more at a point of "How many copies of Barry Manilow II do I really need?"

The only item left on my "hunting list" is the radio promo CD for "Welcome Home." That one doesn't even show up on my usual hunting websites. Maybe I'll find it someday, maybe I won't. But the hunting is more fun than the having.

OTHER THINGS I'LL NEVER NEED TO BUY AGAIN...
- Christmas cards and wrapping paper
- Candles (I swear if my place ever catches fire, there will be a three-inch layer of wax left in the basement)
- Stuffed animals
- other assorted decorations and tchotchkes... I don't decorate for Christmas or any other holidays any more. Heck, I've got a full-size artificial Christmas tree that I'd probably be willing to give away if someone is willing to haul it out of here... no way can I manage to get it up the stairs.

Meanwhile, back to getting the eBay listings ready. Turbo Lister died several years ago so now I'm learning a new app called Garage Sale. So far so good; we'll see what happens when the listings actually go "live."

Dave

[Dee]

Post by Angela Parker

Post by dcsharon
I have often said (and have it in my will) whatever kills me, take the Manilow collection, sell it on Ebay and donate the proceeds. But, as I keep searching, there really isn't much value in the treasures I have collected. We missed the window of value (I think) by a decade at least. A friend has 4 or 5 gold records she's been hanging on to thinking they were worth a couple grand each. Now -- it's maybe $250 .. tops. As there's just no market for them anymore. I should have sold my 1976 tour book when I saw it for $300 on ebay. Now I think it's $50.
If someone is looking for something specific and I have it, I am generally just giving it away. I have given duplicates of albums to friends who lost theirs to flood or fire and I still have more copies thanks to very generous friends who find them and give them to me. :-)
If it brings someone else joy, let them have it. I will keep my CD's (for now) and anything autographed. But I don't own a record player, so keeping vinyl is taking up space.
(DC) Sharon

Sharon...
You and Brenda and Scooter are all hitting on the same thing... which I need to start doing as well. CLEAR OUT ALL THIS STUFF so that my friends won't get stuck with it when I'm gone.
And Sharon, you nailed it on value as well. Several months ago, a friend and I were discussing eBay prices for various Barry items. He sold off a good chunk of his CD collection a few years ago, and managed to get mostly good prices for things like his Japanese Barry CD's. But these days? Even an original RCA "Manilow" CD, which used to go for over $200 if it ever showed up at all, *might* get $10 on a good day. The market just isn't there any more.
I don't know what might be in Sarah's collection; her mother seems to think I'll make a ton of money selling it on eBay for them. I keep trying to tell them not to get their hopes up, but I don't seem to get anywhere. Yes I KNOW she paid through the nose for those tour jackets. These days, they'd cost more to ship than what they'd likely sell for.
As for me... there was a time when I would track down all the variations on an album or whatever, but I'm more at a point of "How many copies of Barry Manilow II do I really need?"
The only item left on my "hunting list" is the radio promo CD for "Welcome Home." That one doesn't even show up on my usual hunting websites. Maybe I'll find it someday, maybe I won't. But the hunting is more fun than the having.
OTHER THINGS I'LL NEVER NEED TO BUY AGAIN...
- Christmas cards and wrapping paper
- Candles (I swear if my place ever catches fire, there will be a three-inch layer of wax left in the basement)
- Stuffed animals
- other assorted decorations and tchotchkes... I don't decorate for Christmas or any other holidays any more. Heck, I've got a full-size artificial Christmas tree that I'd probably be willing to give away if someone is willing to haul it out of here... no way can I manage to get it up the stairs.
Meanwhile, back to getting the eBay listings ready. Turbo Lister died several years ago so now I'm learning a new app called Garage Sale. So far so good; we'll see what happens when the listings actually go "live."
Dave

I'm glad it's not just me who is having a clear-out. I learned my lesson when my cousins emptied their parents' house and chucked some lovely ornaments, photo albums, etc. in a skip. So now I am giving away to charity shops anything that my family would consider "junk", so I know it won't end up in a skip. It pains at times to give away precious stuff but I would rather donate it now than have it dumped later. A few pangs of sentiment but it has to go. My husband, on the other hand, is a hoarder!!

[Brenda M]

Dee,

Don’t get me started on hoarders.

I have a cousin who was a terrible hoarder.

It would take her five minutes to answer a door because she had to clear crap away just to answer it.

I’ll never forget the time she told me she smelled a dead mouse in her spare bedroom but couldn’t get to it because there were too many piles of crap to move.

It’s painful to observe people who cannot part with anything. I know it’s a medical condition (and a TV show) ... and so many people are afflicted. I guess this is what comes from a materialistic society!

[Brenda M]

Dave,

Your post made me laugh out loud.

You know, about a year ago I came to the realization that I will never need to buy Christmas wrap ever again because my gift base is shrinking. That realization really bummed me out, because I love shiny wrapping paper. I love buying it.

Every fall I visit Costco and admire theirs.

I’m so weird.

I also love buying books I’ll never read.

[Scooter]

Post by Brenda M
You know, about a year ago I came to the realization that I
will never need to buy Christmas wrap ever again because my
gift base is shrinking.

So true. My gift base is shrinking, plus, gift bags are so easy
to use. Plus they're so easy to recycle, unlike paper. But
last Christmas I wrapped most of my gifts. It was fun to wrap
and tie ribbons again.

Post by Brenda M
I also love buying books I'll never read.

Yeah. I save hundreds of recipes I'll never cook. I think it's
that collector gene in us.

Scooter

[dcsharon]

Scooter -

I scanned all my family recipes and with one set of my maternal grandmother's recipes, I copied the photos on scrapbook paper and lined a serving tray with them to be hung as a picture and donated them as a prize at our annual family reunion craft raffle (it pays for the next year's festivities). It turned out really nice and I'm able to share recipes other family members who normally wouldn't have copies of the originals.

And I put them on a family photo album on Facebook, so people that are looking for my Mom's rice pudding recipe can have it.

We are still trying to clean out my parents house with all the treasures there. My parents were depression-era. They saved EVERYTHING. We found photos in the attic we never knew were there, and since that side of the family is gone, there is no one to ask who is in these photos. I'm reaching out to far-away cousins to see if they know.


(DC) Sharon

[Scooter]

dcsharon <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Great idea for your recipes. My grandnieces want me to gather
family recipes and copy them. I really need to do that.

Post by dcsharon
We are still trying to clean out my parents house with all
the treasures there. My parents were depression-era. They
saved EVERYTHING. We found photos in the attic we never
knew were there, and since that side of the family is gone,
there is no one to ask who is in these photos. I'm reaching
out to far-away cousins to see if they know.

I learned in cleaning out my mom's and my aunt's houses a real
lesson. Please, please, please, write on the backs of photos.
When the older folks are gone, those faces might as well be
strangers because we don't know who they are. With digital
photos, you can put electronic info in the photo file, but it
takes time, and learning how to do it. Hard copies are best,
but how many people these days have literally thousands of
pictures on an SD card in their phone with no info on them.
If nothing else, put them in the cloud, and tell someone how
to access them.

My aunt had been in her house since 1939, and the other lesson
I learned was to throw away paper. Even old greeting cards.
We had to literally go through hundreds of my aunt's cards
because she left cash in them. Old bank statements, canceled
checks, utility bills, etc. I wore out two shredders getting
rid of decades-old paper, some which had her SS# on them. Be
kind to those left behind: Buy a shredder. :)

Scooter

[dcsharon]

The scrapbooker in me would plead NOT to write on the back with a ballpoint pen - it could ruin the photo.

In a pinch, use a pencil or a special pen for photo archiving.

And, yes, people having all their photos on their phones is devastating to those of us that sell scrapbooking supplies (Creative Memories). It's nice to have the books and I treasure anything with my mother's handwriting on it. I just can't bring myself to throw it away. I know the memory of her lives far past seeing her writing, but it's such a gift when I do see it.

Your PSA for today. :-)

(DC) Sharon

[s***@gmail.com]

Four years ago, someone broke into my car shortly after I moved and stole box out of the trunk. In that box was my baby book, my first certificate and passport, A thick folder full of family photos, all the birthday cards my mother had ever sent me, a recording of my father's voice made in Japan back in the early 50s, and various other irreplaceable souvenirs. I cried a lot of tears over that. Now whenever I come across something with either of my parents handwriting on it, I still get weepy. Luckily, I had scanned in a lot of the photos so they weren't irreparably lost. But the information on the backs was. Since my mother was the last of her family, I have no one to ask who the bride was in the picture where I am or two-year-old flower girl.

[a***@gmail.com]

Post by dcsharon
The scrapbooker in me would plead NOT to write on the back with a ballpoint pen - it could ruin the photo.
In a pinch, use a pencil or a special pen for photo archiving.
And, yes, people having all their photos on their phones is devastating to those of us that sell scrapbooking supplies (Creative Memories). It's nice to have the books and I treasure anything with my mother's handwriting on it. I just can't bring myself to throw it away. I know the memory of her lives far past seeing her writing, but it's such a gift when I do see it.
Your PSA for today. :-)
(DC) Sharon

Hi Sharon,

Drifting off the topic of Mr M for a bit, but staying on the topic of STUFF, your comment about your mother's handwriting hit home with me.

For Christmas one year my Mom gave me a box of letters my Dad had written to his mother when he was in the Navy and continuing through his college years. Dozens of letters.

My Mom found the box when my Grandmother died and she kept it until she passed it on to me. I treasure these letters so, so much.

I'm the opposite of a hoarder - I get rid of stuff all the time. I HATE clutter; I like a spare, clean environment and my attic and basement are super organized and utilitarian.

An abundance of wrapping paper? I toss that stuff and never look back! Leftover yarn from a knitting project? Gone with the wind!

But my Dad's letters I will keep forever.

Best,
Annie

[Angela Parker]

Dave and Annie..

I found a fantastic photo of my grandmother and great aunt during the 1920s both looking every bit the flapper - and on the back someone had written "Please send me one of you sweetie." So much sweeter than naked selfies.

And Annie, you can sell leftover yarn on Ravelry.com - which is kind of like this place for knitters and crocheters. And every bit the same rabbit hole from which you'll emerge hours later.

Angela

[Scooter]

Post by Angela Parker
I found a fantastic photo of my grandmother and great aunt
during the 1920s both looking every bit the flapper - and
on the back someone had written "Please send me one of you
sweetie." So much sweeter than naked selfies.

That made me laugh out loud. :-D

I can understand if folks want to go to a private site to see
other naked folks and share their own naked selfies. Whatever
rings your chime. But I'll never understand the need to
publicly post photos on Facebook and Instagram that make them
look like cheap porn stars. Some of those may come back to
haunt them if a future employer sees them.

I guess I'm just from a different time.

Scooter

[D]

Post by Scooter
Great idea for your recipes. My grandnieces want me to gather
family recipes and copy them. I really need to do that.

Post by dcsharon
We are still trying to clean out my parents house with all
the treasures there. My parents were depression-era. They
saved EVERYTHING. We found photos in the attic we never
knew were there, and since that side of the family is gone,
there is no one to ask who is in these photos. I'm reaching
out to far-away cousins to see if they know.

I learned in cleaning out my mom's and my aunt's houses a real
lesson. Please, please, please, write on the backs of photos.
When the older folks are gone, those faces might as well be
strangers because we don't know who they are. With digital
photos, you can put electronic info in the photo file, but it
takes time, and learning how to do it. Hard copies are best,
but how many people these days have literally thousands of
pictures on an SD card in their phone with no info on them.
If nothing else, put them in the cloud, and tell someone how
to access them.
My aunt had been in her house since 1939, and the other lesson
I learned was to throw away paper. Even old greeting cards.
We had to literally go through hundreds of my aunt's cards
because she left cash in them. Old bank statements, canceled
checks, utility bills, etc. I wore out two shredders getting
rid of decades-old paper, some which had her SS# on them. Be
kind to those left behind: Buy a shredder. :)
Scooter

Scooter...

I definitely hear you on the photos! After my mother and grandmother died, my brother decided he didn't want any of the old family pictures and scrapbooks. So I ended up with them.

My mom, at least, kept her pictures in scrapbooks. While I may not recognize everyone in them, I can at least get a rough idea of WHEN the pictures were taken, and I have a rough idea of who the people are likely to be.

My grandmother, son the other hand... oy. I have seven shoe boxes with pictures just tossed in them at random. I have no clue who 98% of these people are, when the pictures were taken, or where. There are some that I *think* might be my grandfather with the first congregation he pastored after graduating seminary... but I have no clue. Other pictures may or may not be various cousins and other relatives. But the ones she wrote on are no help, either. For example... a picture with the note "me and Shirley." I sit here and think to myself "Okay fine... WHO THE F*CK IS SHIRLEY????"

I have a friend who works with the local historical society... he says THEY don't want the pictures either if there's nothing to identify who's in them. I really should toss these... NOBODY knows who these people are... but it feels like I'm throwing out my family in the process. (sigh)

Dave

[Scooter]

I've got lots of pictures from my mom's side of the family.
There were 7 kids, and they loved to take pictures. Luckily
there are lots of them I either recognize, or they had names on
them. But my dad's side of the family (there were 13 kids) took
very few pictures. I think I have one of my grandfather, who
passed away before WWII, and a handful of my grandmother. Of my
dad's 12 brothers and sisters, I only have a few of two sisters,
and two brothers - none of the rest.

If I took the time, and got an Ancestry membership, I might be
able to hunt down some relatives. But since I only really knew
a handful of them, and all 13 have passed away, I honestly don't
care to do that.

I see old photos in antique malls. I'm not sure why people buy
them. Seems odd. But I'm with you, Dave, even if I don't know
who are in the pictures, I couldn't throw them away. I'll leave
them for the next generation to ponder. ;^)

Scooter

[D]

Post by Scooter
I see old photos in antique malls. I'm not sure why people buy
them. Seems odd. But I'm with you, Dave, even if I don't know
who are in the pictures, I couldn't throw them away. I'll leave
them for the next generation to ponder. ;^)

Not that I'm planning on going anywhere any time soon, but I have a feeling that whenever my time comes, my friends will just hire a dumpster...

At the very least I need to make lists of "hey, here's what might potentially be valuable..." for whatever I haven't gotten rid of. EVENTUALLY, I'll start selling off Hallmark ornaments and Dept. 56 Christmas collectables, the few pieces of Waterford that I have, stuff like that... but they're not going just yet. :-)

Dave

[D]

Post by Scooter

Post by Brenda M
You know, about a year ago I came to the realization that I
will never need to buy Christmas wrap ever again because my
gift base is shrinking.

So true. My gift base is shrinking, plus, gift bags are so easy
to use. Plus they're so easy to recycle, unlike paper. But
last Christmas I wrapped most of my gifts. It was fun to wrap
and tie ribbons again.

My friends and I have all reached the point where none of us really need STUFF at Christmas any more. Gift cards sound so cold and impersonal but I can use a Walmart card more than I can use another coffee mug, ya know?

And while I used to easily send somewhere around 75 cards a year or more (the joys of being in management) I think I sent somewhere between 20 and 25 last year. Not even a full sheet of address labels. But about 25 years ago, I made a killing on boxed cards in an after-Christmas clearance at Service Merchandise... and I'm STILL using them! Although now I'm down to about three copy paper boxes full... LOL

Dave

[Brenda M]

Sharon,

I will never part with the albums you sent me after my Great Flood of 2013.

They always remind me of your kind, generous nature.

You are such a devoted friend to people lucky enough to know that. :-)

Bren

[Angela Parker]

Funny you should mention cleaning out stuff...

I was working my way through Mom's kitchen and found a bag of popcorn that had been on an upper shelf since my Dad died 10 years ago. She had literally hundreds of pages of stickers of puppies and flowers that organizations she had donated to sent her. And stuff in her pantry that expired in 2001.

I'm working my way through my stuff too. However... Brenda or Sharon...if you're selling an autographed Sweet Life, I've got room for that :)

Angela

[Brenda M]

Right, Scooter.

It’s not just dealing with Manilow stuff...it’s dealing with all stuff. It just feels good to unload it.

Most of the joy it gave me came from obtaining it at the time, like you said.

But, as Annie pointed out, it’s okay to keep things that still give you pleasure. I have a ragged old flip book a friend bought me at the Hilton ... it was the Manilow Store’s display copy ( they had sold out of it).

I will never get rid of it because I always smile and think of her when I hold it. She was so proud to have snared it for me!

And it’s tiny, so it doesn’t take up much space. :-)

Bren

[a***@gmail.com]

Post by Brenda M
Well, here’s the thing...
I think many of us have just reached a point in our lives where it’s more practical to shed useless material objects, rather than acquire them.
Maybe if I had someone who would want this stuff when I die, I would want to purchase more bobble heads or maracas or shot glasses ... but right now it’s pretty much just a box of crap someone will have to sort through when I’m dead.
My roommate, Bridget (who was a fan of many entertainers, not just Barry) died this past Easter and I’m still trying to dispose of her stuff. And I don’t want to have to put that burden on someone else, you know? I don’t mean to sound so macabre, but I’d rather dispose of it myself.
If someone out there wants it and will enjoy it, great!
But Sometimes it’s just time to clean house.
Bren

This discussion can't help but remind me of Marie Kondo's book "The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up". This was Ms Kondo's first book and in it she presents her philosophy about getting rid of stuff. The Marie Kondo thing has become a huge empire, but the central core of her philosophy is this:

when going through your stuff you need to hold each object in your hands to determine if the object "sparks joy". If it does, it's a keeper. If not, toss that shizz. ( I may be paraphrasing )


As to the Manilowabilia.....if the bobble-heads, shot glasses, photos, tshirts, vinyl, etc etc no longer bring joy, well then you know what to do.....


Ms Kondo also believes - when tossing stuff out - one should thank each object for the purpose it served/the joy it brought at one time. Although at first blush this seems weird, when you think about it, it's kind of nice.

So thank that Barry Bobblehead for all the good times then send him on his way.
.....is my advice anyway, and Ms Marie Kondo would agree.

Although I've never seen a Barry Manilow bobblehead but I imagine it's pretty awesome. You know what else I just realized this very second I need?
A giant blow up Barry Manilow balloon for my front lawn, like those Santas you see at Christmas time, except Barry could stay out there all year round. Talk about "sparking joy"

Stiletto merch needs to get on that.

Best,
Annie

[Angela Parker]

If the worst thing they can say about Barry is that he had a fight with his spouse and his ticket sales aren't where they would like (true or not), I'll take it. I'm just grateful he's not caught up in the Epstein scandal. I hope he's like most of us - a human with some not-so-shining-moments - but not evil.

Angela