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Passed over again for the Kennedy Center Honors
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JAZZ4JEFF
2017-08-03 17:19:03 UTC
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The 2017 Kennedy Center Honorees include singer-songwriter Gloria Estefan, whose life is explored in the Broadway musical On Your Feet!, as well as actor, dancer, and choreographer Carmen de Lavallade, whose Broadway credits include A Streetcar Named Desire and House of Flowers.

Rounding out this year's recipients are hip hop artist LL COOL J, television writer and producer Norman Lear, and musician and record producer Lionel Richie.

These artists will be recognized during The 40th Annual Kennedy Center Honors, which will be broadcast December 26 at 9 PM ET on CBS. CBS has broadcast the special each year since its debut 40 years ago.
dcsharon
2017-08-03 17:30:33 UTC
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For those unaware, the Kennedy Center is undergoing major renovations and having a huge (huge!) fund raising effort.

The people who are giving the big bucks (see below)

https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/breaking_ground/2015/09/whos-giving-the-kennedy-center-millions.html

are the ones who have the largest say in who gets the KenCen honors.

(Although they say voting is open to anyone, they are going to take the opinions of their big donors very seriously).

So -- pony up a couple mil and they will probably consider the person you want to see be nominated.

Start saving your pennies!

(DC) Sharon
meshuga
2017-08-05 19:14:41 UTC
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Post by JAZZ4JEFF
The 2017 Kennedy Center Honorees include singer-songwriter Gloria Estefan, whose life is explored in the Broadway musical On Your Feet!, as well as actor, dancer, and choreographer Carmen de Lavallade, whose Broadway credits include A Streetcar Named Desire and House of Flowers.
Rounding out this year's recipients are hip hop artist LL COOL J, television writer and producer Norman Lear, and musician and record producer Lionel Richie.
These artists will be recognized during The 40th Annual Kennedy Center Honors, which will be broadcast December 26 at 9 PM ET on CBS. CBS has broadcast the special each year since its debut 40 years ago.
Not to take anything away from the tremendous thrill and accomplishment of being selecting to receive this distinguished honor, I'm guessing (my opinion only) that there's at least a teeny-tiny part of Barry that would rather wait to receive this honor when there's actually an honorable person serving as the leader of this country to participate in the ceremony.

This is POTUS's first KenCen Honors ceremony, and the recipients include a Cuban-born woman, three people of color, and a Jew (albeit non-practicing). Once someone explained who each of these people are, I'll bet he couldn't contain his excitement. Oh, the irony.

Amy
marvin
2017-08-06 02:22:08 UTC
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Hi Amy,
Because the KCH awards are not given to people who are not alive. I doubt that Barry wants to wait until Donald Trump's reign as President would be over in four or eight years. Barry is 74 now and there is no guarantee that he can wait until he is age 78 or 82.
This is the primary reason I am disappointed again that Barry was not nominated over Gloria Estefan and Lionel Ritchie. Both Gloria and Lionel are younger than Barry and I feel strongly that seniority must take priority whenever possible so that legends in show business can be honored as soon as possible.
Johnny Mathis and Bette Milder have also surprisingly not been inducted yet and they also don't have time on their side anymore. The KCH awards committee must consider seniority as a factor in selecting their inductees. Thanks, Marvin
Carmen
2017-08-06 05:22:18 UTC
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Marvin--
Barry may not want to wait to be honored by the Kennedy Center (DISCLAIMER: In the past, as I remember, Barry's said he doesn't do what he does for the awards involved), & his fans may not want to wait much longer for it to happen, but I'm afraid we're just gonna have to be patient until it happens (& hope that they decide to allow posthumous honorees at some point, if necessary) because there's really nothing we can do about it, other than keep submitting his name as long as the public is allowed to participate in the process in that way--& then keep hoping his name will eventually be among a future year's honorees.

If Barry were to be fortunate enough to be named as an honoree while our current President is still in office--be it during the remainder of this term, during a second term (I cringe at that thought), or before he's served either a full 4 (or 8) years as POTUS--however, I assume Barry would be the gentleman we know he is, participate in the events involved, & keep politics out of it.

Barbra Streisand accepted her Honors during George W. Bush's presidency; she was a vocal critic of his presidency, but she managed to put that aside to participate in the events. She was treated very well by him during the event, despite their political differences, even getting a kiss from President Bush 43 at some point during the proceedings. And of the past honorees, I doubt Ms. Streisand is the only 1 who's put politics/their personal dislike for the then-POTUS aside long enough to receive the Kennedy Center Honors.

As far as this year's honorees are concerned, I've already seen that Norman Lear has said he won't participate in the pre-gala White House reception the President & First Lady give for the honorees, though I think he's still planning to accept the Honor. I've also seen it said that Gloria Estefan isn't a huge fan of our current POTUS, but she's apparently very honored by her selection (pun not intended) & does plan to participate in the events/accept her Honor. I believe I also read there's a 3rd honoree this year who's also not the biggest fan of the guy currently sitting (metaphorically, not literally as I type) in the Oval Office but they also feel they can put their political differences aside long enough to accept their Honor. Unfortunately their name escapes me at the moment; but it's either Carmen de Lavallade, Lionel Richie, or LL Cool J (obviously, because those 3 hadn't been mentioned yet). I think it's either Lionel (whose last name doesn't have a T in it, by the way) or LL Cool J.

Even though you feel strongly an honoree's age should be taken into consideration when they're being selected, the Kennedy Center Honors committee apparently doesn't agree--nor do they agree that posthumous awards are possible. I honestly have to say I agree that maybe seniority at least shouldn't weigh as heavily as other factors in the honorees' selection. Granted the award is for lifetime contributions to American culture, but at least some of the younger honorees have been able to make indelible marks on American culture/American pop culture very quickly/in less than a lifetime--& they deserve to be honored for their contributions just as much as those with more "seniority" do. So I'm not necessarily in favor of presentation just to the older generations.

I also have to say I'd be in favor of posthumous honors, to be accepted by someone in the family or another designated recipient. After all, other honors presented in Washington (like by the government) are presented posthumously (I think there were at least 2 posthumous Medal of Freedom recipients at President Obama's last presentation ceremony for this honor before he left office). And the stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame are also presented posthumously to some people. Those honorees have to wait 5 years before they can be honored & the family has to be present at their induction ceremony, among other criteria. Whitney Houston was selected for the Walk of Fame before her death, but she never scheduled her induction ceremony within the allotted timeframe after she was chosen (celebs used to have 5 years to collect this honor once they're named as honorees; now it's down to 3 years). Now, if Whitney gets a star (& she's eligible again, I think, having died in February, 2012), it has to be awarded with her family's permission/participation.

Marvin, Michael Jackson never received a Kennedy Center Honor before he died either (& he was about 20 or so years younger, at the time, than Barry, Bette, Johnny Mathis, or any other worthy, major pop music figure you can name). You certainly can't say--at least not based on his contributions to the entertainment industry--that he wasn't worthy. And if he'd lived, he might have received the award by now. Who knows? But now the only way he can be so honored is if the selection committee changes the eligibility criteria so that posthumous honors can be given.

And the Eagles' Glenn Frey--as far as I know--would have the honor if the Eagles hadn't postponed their participation/selection for a year because of Glenn's illness. Since Glenn died between the 2 ceremonies, even though he'd have been honored if it hadn't been postponed, I don't think he/his family received the Kennedy Center Honor meant for him when the band was originally scheduled to be honored. I think it ended up that just the surviving band members were honored.
marvin
2017-08-06 17:52:37 UTC
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Carmen thanks for your research and your wise words about the selection of the inductees. You are right that seniority should not be the only factor with your excellent reference to Michael Jackson, who was obviously a legendary giant in the world of entertainment.
Maybe Barry is not in the music business for the awards, but the KCH is a wonderful lifetime achievement for Americans in the cultural arts, and if he is ever inducted, future generations who may never have heard of Barry Manilow will know that he is considered a legendary artist and not only by his fans.
I think Gloria and Lionel deserve their honors, and it has to be tough each year to pick the inductees. I can't say Bette Midler or Johnny Mathis are more worthy than Barry or vice versa for future picks, but I hope that all three are picked while they are still alive. Thanks, Marvin
q***@gmail.com
2017-08-09 15:10:57 UTC
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Carmen thanks for your research and your wise words about the selection of the inductees. You are right that seniority should not be the only factor with your excellent reference to Michael Jackson, who was obviously a legendary giant in the world of entertainment.
Maybe Barry is not in the music business for the awards, but the KCH is a wonderful lifetime achievement for Americans in the cultural arts, and if he is ever inducted, future generations who may never have heard of Barry Manilow will know that he is considered a legendary artist and not only by his fans.
I think Gloria and Lionel deserve their honors, and it has to be tough each year to pick the inductees. I can't say Bette Midler or Johnny Mathis are more worthy than Barry or vice versa for future picks, but I hope that all three are picked while they are still alive. Thanks, Marvin
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In my book, I lose esteem for the (once) prestigious KCH each year they bypass Manilow. Its a good that I -- apparently like Barry -- am not driven by this award.
dcsharon
2017-08-09 15:32:32 UTC
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In my book, I lose esteem for the (once) prestigious KCH each year they bypass Manilow. Its a good that I -- apparently like Barry -- am not driven by this award.
I don't think he would turn one down if offered. But a select committee determines who will get the awards, so it's not a popularity contest based on votes, etc. I hope that someday Barry does get the KCH as it is an award he certainly is justified in having. I can only hope it is given at a time when the arts are celebrated - not when they are having their budgets slashed.

(DC) Sharon
Carmen
2017-08-19 13:12:55 UTC
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The Trumps have solved the issue of some or all of this year's Kennedy Center Honorees not participating in certain events related to the Honors weekend because they don't support either Trump or his policies (& at this point, we're up to legendary TV writer/producer Norman Lear & dancer/choreographer [& actress?] Carmen de Lavallade bowing out of the White House reception for the honorees; singer Lionel Richie saying he'll "play it by ear"; & no comments either way from the remaining honorees, rapper/actor LL Cool J & singer Gloria Estefan [though at least 1 source has said Ms. Estefan is also not a fan of Trump as President]).

As I type this it's been announced, within the last hour or so, that the Trumps are pulling out of participating in this year's Kennedy Center Honors (besides the reception at the White House, the First Couple sits with the honorees in the Presidential Box during the gala honoring the recipients that is taped & shown on CBS, in the US, over the Christmas or New Year's holidays). The Trumps are pulling out, according to the article I'm linking, because they don't want to be "a political distraction" when it comes to the event.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/19/trump-first-lady-pull-out-annual-kennedy-center-honors-program-avoid-any-political-distraction-forho/582818001/
s***@gmail.com
2019-04-20 03:48:33 UTC
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Barry definately deserves the honor. He is not only a singer and songwriter but an awesome performer!!!!
dcsharon
2019-04-22 20:42:42 UTC
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Barry definately deserves the honor. He is not only a singer and songwriter but an awesome performer!!!!
It really doesn't matter who deserves it. Nominations for Kennedy Center Honors can only come from past winners and the board of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.

Presently, the 2 newest members of the Board of Directors: Mike Huckabee and Jon Voight.

Here's a little article about how the nominees are selected:

https://www.bustle.com/articles/55787-who-picks-the-kennedy-center-honorees-heres-a-step-by-step-guide-to-making-the-cut

But -- in the case of KenCen. MONEY talks. They are working on a multi-million dollar expansion effort and if you donate big bucks to the cause, I suspect you get a pretty big voice in who gets selected for a KenCen honor.

https://wtop.com/dc/2018/06/kennedy-center-gives-sneak-peek-of-multimillion-dollar-expansion/slide/1/


The online recommendation form is still available, but you need to know that the recommendations primarily come from the former honorees and the Board.

http://www.kennedy-center.org/pages/SpecialEvents/HonorsRecommendation

(DC) Sharon
marvin
2019-04-23 12:58:34 UTC
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I don't know the dates for the 2019 nominations, but we do not know the list of the nominations as of yet, so let us see if Barry is on the 2019 list when the nominations come out. I am also hopeful that Bette Midler will eventually be honored as well. Marvin
Carmen
2019-04-23 15:56:59 UTC
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Marvin—

The Kennedy Center Honors recipients should be announced sometime this summer, if this year’s events paying tribute to the Honorees are being held in early December (for TV airing right after Christmas), as usual.

I Googled when last year’s recipients were announced; the date I found, on an NPR story posted online about the 2018 recipients announcement, was July 25, 2018. And JAZZ4JEFF’s post, which started this thread, discussing the 2017 Honorees announcement was posted August 3 (or sometime in early August), 2017. So I would probably expect this year’s recipients to be announced sometime toward the end of July or the beginning of August this year.
marvin
2019-04-23 16:46:11 UTC
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Thanks for the information Carmen and I look forward to hearing about the 2019 nominations this summer. Regards, Marvin
q***@gmail.com
2019-04-25 03:46:33 UTC
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meh
crystal
2019-04-25 22:50:11 UTC
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Post by dcsharon
Post by s***@gmail.com
Barry definately deserves the honor. He is not only a singer and songwriter but an awesome performer!!!!
It really doesn't matter who deserves it. Nominations for Kennedy Center Honors can only come from past winners and the board of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.
Presently, the 2 newest members of the Board of Directors: Mike Huckabee and Jon Voight.
https://www.bustle.com/articles/55787-who-picks-the-kennedy-center-honorees-heres-a-step-by-step-guide-to-making-the-cut
But -- in the case of KenCen. MONEY talks. They are working on a multi-million dollar expansion effort and if you donate big bucks to the cause, I suspect you get a pretty big voice in who gets selected for a KenCen honor.
https://wtop.com/dc/2018/06/kennedy-center-gives-sneak-peek-of-multimillion-dollar-expansion/slide/1/
The online recommendation form is still available, but you need to know that the recommendations primarily come from the former honorees and the Board.
http://www.kennedy-center.org/pages/SpecialEvents/HonorsRecommendation
(DC) Sharon
How the hell did Mike Huckabee and Jon Voight get on the board of directors of the Kennedy Center? Did IL Douche force them on there as payment for their support? You'd think Trump hiring that heifer Huckabee spawned as his press secretary would have been enough.

Crystal
dcsharon
2019-04-26 15:02:42 UTC
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3 words - Elections have consequences.


https://variety.com/2019/politics/news/trump-kennedy-center-jon-voight-mike-huckabee-1203173316/


(DC) Sharon
crystal
2019-04-27 20:32:09 UTC
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Post by dcsharon
3 words - Elections have consequences.
https://variety.com/2019/politics/news/trump-kennedy-center-jon-voight-mike-huckabee-1203173316/
(DC) Sharon
Yeah, exactly what I thought Sharon. Next year's election better have the consequence of booting IL Douche out of office or our country is going to be completely f*cked.

Crystal
marvin
2019-04-29 11:36:25 UTC
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3 words - Elections have consequences.


https://variety.com/2019/politics/news/trump-kennedy-center-jon-voight-mike-huckabee-1203173316/


(DC) Sharon

Yes, elections have consequences Sharon but as the article points out, many of the recent honorees, such as Norman Lear, made it very clear that they are not Trump supporters, so I am not convinced that politics effect who is nominated as a Kennedy Center Honoree.
It is also noteworthy that Adrienne Arsht of Miami is on the board of the KCH as she personally invited Barry Manilow to perform at a Miami fundraiser for the Adrienne Arsht Center, named in her honor several years ago. Thanks, Marvin
a***@gmail.com
2017-08-06 16:36:01 UTC
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Post by JAZZ4JEFF
The 2017 Kennedy Center Honorees include singer-songwriter Gloria Estefan, whose life is explored in the Broadway musical On Your Feet!, as well as actor, dancer, and choreographer Carmen de Lavallade, whose Broadway credits include A Streetcar Named Desire and House of Flowers.
Rounding out this year's recipients are hip hop artist LL COOL J, television writer and producer Norman Lear, and musician and record producer Lionel Richie.
These artists will be recognized during The 40th Annual Kennedy Center Honors, which will be broadcast December 26 at 9 PM ET on CBS. CBS has broadcast the special each year since its debut 40 years ago.
Interesting piece related to this discussion:

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/345286-norman-lear-to-boycott-kennedy-center-honors-reception-over-trump

Annie
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